Scottville, Custer, Branch too. What's in a name...
A basic problem with human nature.
The largest problem I see with the left VS right arguments I see up here all the time is this. I feel the left operates under the premise that is this. If a individual is given the choice they will do the right thing rather than the thing that gives them self the better edge in society.
I think history time and time again points to the opposite things happening. If you tell some one they no longer have to work so hard to stay alive and get ahead because someone else, Say the U.S. government with someone else's money They will incline to not work hard to stay alive or get ahead. The result is you create a bigger social program more people will put themselves in a position to take advantage of it.
If you choose to answer this discussion please post with the article telling me my premise hear is wrong, or at least have the non biased phrase like I feel you are wrong and why. Otherwise, your just showing your own bias that you accuse many on the right in here of carrying.
Without posting many strictly historical threads here it is very evident in history those who started Medicare and such did not even have the cost estimates any where near the realities... There is a reason for this.
I think history time and time again points to the opposite things happening. If you tell some one they no longer have to work so hard to stay alive and get ahead because someone else, Say the U.S. government with someone else's money They will incline to not work hard to stay alive or get ahead. The result is you create a bigger social program more people will put themselves in a position to take advantage of it.
If you choose to answer this discussion please post with the article telling me my premise hear is wrong, or at least have the non biased phrase like I feel you are wrong and why. Otherwise, your just showing your own bias that you accuse many on the right in here of carrying.
Without posting many strictly historical threads here it is very evident in history those who started Medicare and such did not even have the cost estimates any where near the realities... There is a reason for this.
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Permalink Reply by PeakedOut on -
" At the heart of the right wing vs left wing debate is a very crucial concept, which many people simply refuse to accept: A society can either be free or equal, but it cannot be both. Certainly, in the center there can be some semblance of compromise, but any such bargain will tend to lean unhappily left or miserably right and human nature is such that even the most temperate, well-balanced state of affairs must inevitably provoke anxiety and discontent"
Common Sense Political Thought
Political ideologies are circular. In the extreme, they lead to the same thing: Suppression of individualism and total control by the State. Circular Ideologies
" Politics is on a circular continuum and elites own the circle " American Chronicle
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Permalink Reply by Guido on -
"A society can either be free or equal, but it cannot be both."
I think that statement in its self shows a skewed view of equality. And perhaps freedom. Freedom isn't a guaranty of the ability to succeed and have the house on the hill . It is only a guaranty no one else will interfere with your quest. In our new government based solution to social problems. Solving a persons economical inequality require taking some one else's rights to as much as they can make away. And does so without really improving the guy on the bottoms way of life at all. In fact I would argue it takes away some of the motivation to improve ones self.
The very fact the left makes statements disdaining the bill of rights and constitution as a thing thats needs to be changed," to tell them what they can do to the populous" shows the folly of this way of thought.
I do agree if you look solely at the party situation you get a circular argument. But this is why I think the tea party movement may either get one or the other of the main parties to go back to the correct constitutional reality or a third party will more than likely make an appearance in the near future. It is a shame either party allowed themselves to a pawn to special interests while pointing bony shallow fingers at the other for doing much the same thing for different reasons.
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